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While top representatives from each country...
were convening at U.N. to discuss global peace-keeping and security,
despite the lack of any official recognition,
the self-appointed G's from around the world are convening,
for the peace-keeping and security of global youths, hence the Non-Summit Meeting.
We shall begin the session.
(Session announcement)
I'm the chairman of Non Summit Meeting, Jun Hyun-moo.
- I'm Secretary General Yoo Se-yoon. - I'm Chairman Sung Si-kyung.
We are Junyoosung!
(We welcome our attending representatives.)
(Coy)
We have two members from the U.S. today.
Mark, you should be anxious.
- Hi, how is it going? - Hi.
A "Hi", all of a sudden?
He looks nervous.
You came from the U.S., can you please introduce yourself?
Hello, my name is Robert Hamilton. I'm from Detroit.
Now, I'm doing my Ph.D dissertation here in Korea...
at Seoul National University.
Since the U.S. is so big, it's hard for us...
to know every state, exactly.
I have an idea that Detroit is a rougher area. Can you tell us about it?
Detroit is near the Canadian border.
It's located on the eastern part.
The city is famous for its auto industry.
Brands like Chrysler, Ford, and General Motors are based there.
But to be honest, it is a dangerous place.
- It's dangerous? - Yes. For example...
even if you go shopping, you can't walk.
You have to take a car. There are a lot of guns.
- Lots of guns? - Yes.
The movie "RoboCop" was based in that city.
- "RoboCop?" - Yes.
(How old is that movie?)
The rapper, Eminem is from there, too.
- Eminem? - The rapper, he's from there.
- Detroit! - Really?
- It's really dangerous, then. - It's scary!
- Isn't Madonna also from there? - Right.
So, you said that it's famous for cars.
It was the hub for automotive manufacturing,
but as imported cars showed up, the tradition declined.
After the financial crisis, the industry took an even bigger hit.
In turn, the city itself suffered from that.
Many ended up losing their jobs, too.
- Aren't there houses there for a dollar? - Houses that can be bought dollar.
- Right, there are some. - There are.
- One dollar house? - A dollar?
They're houses that haven't been maintained, of course.
(After the 2008 crisis, the neglected homes were being sold for a dollar.)
Since our country is so big, the east and the west coast people...
don't really know much about the Midwest region.
In fact, I've never been to Detroit.
- Really? - Yes.
You know, I'm from Manhattan. There weren't many guns there.
It's rather safe there, the area was affluent.
But if you end up in Harlem or the Bronx, it's pretty dangerous.
So for us, we think of Detroit as comparable to those places.
- Sure, that sounds about right. - They're similar.
- I can be mistaken, but... - No, you're right.
It's really dangerous, for real.
- He said you aren't wrong here! - He agreed with you.
He even admits that, himself. It's his hometown.
There's a reason why we have two U.S. representatives here, today.
Now it's time for, "Agree or Disagree, What is So Important?"
As a representative from the U.S., Robert brought us something to discuss.
Recently, during the police's arresting processes,
there were incidents where African-Americans were shot and killed.
Shortly following that, there were protests...
from the African-American community regarding human rights.
So I wanted to discuss the topic of excessive force towards them from the police.
I want to announce this for my topic of choice.
He wants to talk about the police's excessive use of force.
Can you elaborate on what's been going on with that?
On July 5th and 6th, some African-American lives were lost.
They were fatally shot by the police.
(During an arrest, they were shot and killed.)
(While complying with a license check,)
(he was mistaken for having a gun and was killed.)
From the bystanders' eyes, the police were definitely white,
and the victims were definitely black.
So, it was built up to be a nasty racial issue.
The situation now, seems to be fueled by rage for revenge.
You have black citizens aiming at killing white police officers.
The situation has definitely gotten worse after that.
Isn't "Cop-killing" a really big crime there?
- Of course. - If they kill with intentions, isn't it a power issue?
In fact, shooting down the police with intent to kill is unheard of.
Now, we're approaching...
some kind of an internal war within our societies.
It's quite shocking, really.
(July 5th, 1 black death, Louisiana, U.S.)
(July 6th, 1 black death, Minnesota)
(July 8th, 5 police deaths, Texas)
(July 17th, 3 police deaths, Louisiana)
The case that really pushed the issue...
was that the victim had his girlfriend in the passenger seat.
- She recorded it. - Since we now have live-streaming abilities,
(The police just killed my boyfriend!)
He was taking out his license. He was taking it out!
He was trying to get out his I.D. in the wallet.
So people were totally focused on it.
We were all wondering what was going on and we were shocked in real-time.
Before, we never had a live-streaming feed like this before.
- We never had a real-time video. - We didn't know the whole story,
but we always trusted what the police said.
Now, due to something like this, it's just shocking, really.
There's nothing that the law can do at this point...
and the incidents are getting more frequent.
While it's shocking, you can sense our desperation, too.
Everyone feels lost. Nobody knows what to do.
But taking a look,
can it really be considered as a racial issue? Or is it an issue of force?
That's the question. Let's hear your opinions.
What's going on here? Did he pull the I.D out without command?
Or did he get shot while complying?
As a black man, I can say that we're not accustomed to the system.
They don't know how to react in that situation to the police officers.
If they tell you to take out your I.D,
you have to think about how to take it out. They don't know what they'll do.
They can just shoot them as they take it out.
I don't think it was just because he was black.
But, it can be definitely seen as a human rights violation.
Especially being killed under those circumstances.
If you take the police's point of view,
you're always under pressure and in dangerous situations.
They're trained to think about preparing for those situations.
I think he could've assumed it posed a danger to him.
- The man could've looked suspicious in the cop's eyes. - It wasn't suspicious!
If you look at the Minnesota case,
the victim was being interrogated, in front of his family.
Would he do something risky, with his family there?
It's safe to assume that about the victim.
I don't think it's right that the cop reacted by shooting.
I mean, when he asked for an I.D,
the man put his hands here, then that action became a problem.
Then how else do you take it out?
Since he's suspicious...
If the police doesn't take it out himself, I have to do it!
When he was taking it out, the cop probably told him to stop.
- No. - No, that's not right.
- If you look at the video from Louisiana, the actual video. - We need to see it.
There were two cops on top of the victim, holding him down.
They shot him not just once, but six times!
- Really? - He wasn't shot at the limbs, either.
- That's serious. - He was shot on his chest.
That was a cold murder, then.
Christian can think like that after looking at a single case.
Many actually debate about it being a racial issue.
But, if you really look at the bigger picture here,
I can believe it's a racial issue. The reason is behind the interrogation process.
The sheer number of interrogations are much higher for blacks.
It's really much, much higher. So, looking at this case,
it started as an interrogation. The man...
was pulled over for having a faulty tail light.
His tail light was broken.
Then, he got pulled over for it. This little thing started it.
But, I looked into it further...
and I found out that the victim got interrogated 50 times in 10 years.
He was pulled over 50 times for something so small.
But, as an American myself,
I only got questioned, maybe twice in 10 years.
It was only for speeding, too.
Since this situation is considered commonplace now,
we made up a phrase, "Driving While Black".
This means, just because the driver happens to be black,
you're more likely to be pulled over even for a small thing.
(If the driver is black)
(He crosses at a green light.)
(The police interrogates without reason.)
So, after this was accepted as a social norm,
it actually became more frequent, in numbers.
- This seems clear to be discrimination. - In America, they think...
that, even in an identical drug case,
the black man would go straight to jail. The white man will go to rehab.
So, if you look here,
it's a definite case for discrimination.
I can say this, because I'm from India. We fear cops there, too.
But, the Indian cops don't discriminate about who they beat.
(Indian cops don't discriminate.)
- I mean... - In America...
We have a joke like this.
When you tell an Indian cop to bring back a tiger,
the regular American or a German cop would bring back a real one.
But an Indian cop would go to the jungle and beat up a bear.
He'd force the bear to say that he was a tiger.
Really, our cops think that way. They don't discriminate.
- They grab everyone, the same. - Lucky, can you go back there, after saying that?
This is in Korean, they don't know what I'm saying.
It's clear, that there's a discrimination issue here.
But I think there's something bigger here.
An officer's duty is to arrest the culprit and to take him to trial.
A police officer is not a judge!
However, if you look at the American police, they act like that.
They arrest and kill people.
- They do that, even when it's not a dangerous situation. - He's right.
It's definitely a problem.
The issue is...
whether the American police officer are allowed to kill so easily.
It's pretty easy for them to exercise their power.
This is the issue we should be discussing.
You all know, that it's easy to buy guns there.
I think the problems come from there.
It's not really focused on discrimination.
It's hard to enforce it, though.
The law gives them the right to bare arms.
It's also a form of defense against a threat.
There are incidents where the force is used preemptively.
- I think there's two issues here. - Right.
We need to add that to what you were saying.
One of the main reasons for excessive force...
is aligned with Guillaume's statement from before.
It's rather easy to buy guns.
It's noticeably different from our police, here.
Guns definitely instill fear into people.
Let's talk about guns, in general.
Let's vote on gun control. Should we control it?
Or should we leave it alone? One, two, three.
We should have guns, or shouldn't we?
(It's 8 for control, 2 against)
Many people seem to be confused.
When you're out to buy a gun,
it's usually not to harm someone.
It's more about protecting oneself or their families.
If they can match their sense of responsibility with their desire to have one,
I don't think we'd even need to mention controlling it.
The problem is, why are we able to purchase automatic weapons?
- Like the automatic rifles. - Exactly.
We don't need those! - Not just those...
If you want to protect your home,
you should just buy a dog, why do you want a tiger?
That's a good analogy.
- That was excellent! - What I mean is...
You agree, right?
If you have a gun, it's not for protection, but...
it'll eventually become someone's weapon.
In my opinion, I stand behind Germany's system of control.
I think it's impossible to enforce it onto America.
First, if you were to implement a system of control,
the current owners would have to give up their guns.
In my opinion that's an impossible task.
- How about in Australia, then? - He's right!
(The 1996 Port Arthur Massacre left 35 dead.)
(The Australian government purchased the guns from owners and destroyed them.)
U.S.A is not Australia.
But the Australians achieved it! Isn't it worth a try?
Then, do you think it's good to leave it alone?
- You said it's not possible to collect. - No, I mean...
that, it's impossible to track every one of them, especially the unregistered ones.
It's completely unknown just how many there are.
With that, it'll be increasingly nerve-racking for the ones without guns.
It'd make them anxious.
Mark is shaking his head at that.
I am all for control.
I'm not finished. Please let me finish.
Nick seems adamant.
Clearly, Germany has a system in place.
They set it up to control guns there.
Then, we had the Munich shooting on July 22nd.
It's still possible in a place with control.
(A mentally-handicapped individual gunned down nine people.)
It wasn't a terror attack, he was...
afflicted with a mental condition.
So, I'm saying that, even with a system in place...
But let me ask, how many times...
does this happen in Germany, in a given year?
This happens in America every week, every month,
even every day. - You're right, but...
Every week, month, and day.
(Bitter taste)
(Just yesterday, people in Texas were harmed by a gun-related incident.)
(Over 50,000 gun-related incidents were reported with 12,942 victims in 2015.)
The reason why I'm behind gun control is...
not to make them completely disappear.
- I get you. - It's actually in our Constitutional right to have arms.
Our country was founded on that principle.
It's listed as the second Constitutional Amendment.
You can see it there.
(A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,)
(the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.)
When we were an English colony,
it was an important principle to keep their families safe.
It supported their freedom...
while fighting against the British.
The law had its roots there.
Something that I just can't understand, is...
why so many Americans stand by the second amendment.
I really think it's stupid.
- What? - This is...
- It's a law from 200 years ago! - It's because of the lobbyists.
It should be amended again. - Alex, that's...
our Constitution. It'll always be in place. It's our Constitution.
However, it doesn't offer details about the kinds of weapons.
That's right! The guns back then were really different.
(The old-fashioned, antique rifle)
(The gunpowder is loaded carefully.)
(It was a strenuous process, just to fire it.)
Compared to that, we now have weapons of war,
weapons designed for soldiers and fast-firing assault weapons.
Even those are...
- legal to purchase, in America. It's openly available. - Really?
- Do you remember guns like the Uzi? - Yes.
That's why I'm saying, you should update that amendment!
We want to update it, but it's not easy.
We all believe that the Constitution is the pillar of our nation.
Something that holds up the country.
A sudden change would...
probably bring a worse situation.
In fact, every country has a constitution of their own.
But looking at America,
the ratifiers are regarded as heroes.
The founding fathers.
Since they were responsible for this, it's a very sensitive thing to alter.
It's probably impossible to change it.
Robert, how about Detroit?
What's the gun ownership rate there?
- Very high. -It is?
I think, pretty much every household has one.
But...
I have to wonder about, what it'd be like if I didn't have this.
- It makes you feel safer? - Yes.
It's like you've got one...
- in the second drawer in your dad's room. - If something were to happen...
we have to think about where we put the gun.
I think that's also a problem.
Americans think having a gun means protection.
I think the problems arise from that notion.
You have to understand that this was part of our history.
Referring back to our conflict with the English,
- it was a legitimate concern. - Other countries fought, too!
(Taken aback)
You don't think we didn't get in fights, too?
We also got in a lot of fights!
We can look at the history of the two Korea’s.
They also have a history of conflict.
Even now, it persists.
So, when we compare South Korea to America.
The gun control system here is undeniable.
The control is strictly enforced and guns are completely outlawed.
Therefore, it's easy to see that South Korea is much more peaceful.
It's evidence for gun control support.
When we talk about Europe,
it's possible for us to own guns.
However, it's really an arduous process to apply for it.
It's really strict and binding.
Of course, it doesn't come easily.
I just think the privilege should come with a stricter precursor.
It won't be completely outlawed,
but by having a clear system to make it more difficult to acquire guns,
it'd be a better background-checking system.
Aside from the Constitution, we have...
a system that gives rights to all kinds of people.
Like the mentally-handicapped,
- or even the people on our terror watch. - That's scary.
Usually, they can't even board planes.
They won't let them on board.
But that same person...
- is allowed to own a gun. - Really?
(It's harder for a professional basketball player to make a free throw...)
(than it is for a terrorist to buy a gun.)
It also bothers me, as an American.
The government bodies endlessly debate away...
about controlling guns and its ramifications.
We have a controlling body for the guns,
called the National Rifle Association.
This NRA body likes to exercise its control...
over the government. They give money and lobby endlessly.
Even the gun-manufacturers, themselves,
likes to bribe the government officials.
- It's a lobbyist country. - It's impossible to reach an end!
If you look at their laws for gun applications,
it's hard to understand their psyche.
They make it so easy for anyone to buy a gun!
(Agree)
It's available at a nearby store. It's easily purchasable.
- You can buy it at a shop? - Yes.
- You buy it like we buy beer. - That's right.
If you want to go to an official gun store,
they do some background checks, of course.
But there are gun shows and gun fairs,
where, it's an exhibition for gun manufacturers.
If you go there, it's possible to buy one without a background check.
So, even having people in the government,
who proposed closing these loopholes. It doesn't do much.
The NSA keeps...
I mean, the NRA keeps...
- blocking the progress for control. - I just can't understand that.
After all, the guns are legally obtained.
But I read something on social media, yesterday.
Fifteen people in masks...
drove up to a gun shop, broke in...
and took everything they could.
They filled up their truck and drove off.
I'm curious about something.
If you're driving alone at night,
and a cop tells you to step outside the car, do you comply?
- Yes, of course. - Because we don't do that in India.
- Especially in Delhi, to my knowledge. - Why?
It's because, there were so many incidents where culprits dressed like cops.
They committed crimes, while looking like police officers.
- So it was a disguise. - Yes.
Even if you get a ticket, it'd be safer to avoid the risk.
You can see why it's safer.
We do that, especially at night.
We have this African-American congressman.
Who was stopped and pulled over by a cop.
He ended up being interrogated.
It was totally unwarranted. It was just because of his skin color.
- The cop just started asking questions. - The cop didn't know him.
So, he started asking away.
We can see that, it was definitely because of his color.
(The skin color comes with discrimination.)
There's something I don't get, as an European.
Your president is black!
How can there be such things going on, in this time and age?
According to history,
wasn't this already solved some time ago?
You had people like Martin Luther King Jr.
We can say, that it was legally solved.
But the core issues cannot be solved just like that.
Other than placing legal terms on it,
it's much more important down to solve it at the societal level.
We just don't have any strategies.
It just feels like a desperate situation for us.
We just discussed some big issues on racism.
Are your countries free from this? We've only discussed the U.S.
- How is it? - Is there racism in France?
- Do you have it there? - it's really bad.
There was an incident involving Keziah Jones in 2012. Do you know him?
He's a black musician.
He came to France by train.
The French police told him to step out.
They proceeded to question him for 40 minutes.
It was an unwarranted interrogation.
- Just because he was black? - Yes.
Not because he did something questionable?
If you look at the French national soccer team,
aren't half of them black?
Yes, there's a lot.
Then, do they think that's okay?
Regardless, we still have a lot of problems.
We say this a lot about the French.
Though half of their team are black,
they have nobody black in their government.
That's very true.
He's correct.
In my opinion, having black athletes...
is always nice to see. It promotes diversity.
It naturally instills hope with the younger viewers.
It makes it about skill and ability and not about color.
I think this could also be a problem though.
If they're black,
they get typecast into being...
a professional athlete or a rapper.
- What else... - Or a president?
They can be president. President Obama.
I know about Obama, but in France...
the black people have no hope for that.
- No hope? - So this is another problem.
They can't even dream of having a regular office job.
It's difficult to even achieve that.
- Is that so? - Then, they definitely have a limited ceiling.
It's really bad for them!
It's really serious there.
Before, something that really made me angry...
was hearing that I don't look Indian.
Maybe they meant it as a compliment.
But you know, having a national identity is important.
I always thought that it was okay to look Indian.
It's something to be proud of.
Of course, Indians can also be...
- very discriminatory. - Really?
For example, if someone is a little darker than me,
- I can be a bit biased towards them. - Is that so?
I actually rented a house of mine in Delhi,
to a few black people, last year.
Then, the neighbors called me saying,
- The neighbors? - Yes.
- saying, "Why did you let them rent it?" - Oh my.
The neighbor was older than me.
I had to ask him what kind of world does he live in.
It was pretty frustrating.
Discrimination...
- can be real for everyone. - That's serious.
In Mexico,
about 10 percent of our population are natives.
There's a bit of discrimination towards them.
If a Mexican sees them,
they'd call them "beaners",
- "Beaners"? - or...
they'd tell them to farm cacti.
They call them "Nopal", which is cactus in Spanish.
They say it to their faces.
It makes me sad to know this.
Our natives...
actually had the land before us.
But being ridiculed in that way...
didn't sit too well with me, at all.
Even in Canada, we discriminate against natives.
We joke amongst ourselves.
The African-Americans...
have a three-fold chance of going to prison,
compared to Caucasians.
Our natives have about a ten-fold chance.
- It's really quite serious. - That's serious.
Is it safe to assume,
that discrimination is everywhere?
- It's everywhere. - Maybe it's an awful instinct?
It's illegal in Italy.
Racism is deemed unlawful there.
It can actually indict you or send you to prison.
But even that doesn't prevent discrimination.
It's still there.
It's similarly illegal in Switzerland, too.
If it's really serious,
it can land you in jail for up to three years.
Like he said, having laws like this,
doesn't do much for racial issues.
Recently, our Right-wing party proposed a vote...
regarding immigrants,
who commit petty crimes, like speeding.
They propose to deport them from the country after the offense.
They eventually got the motion thrown out.
It didn't pass.
In Germany, we look at Hitler's mistakes in the past.
You can't just function as a racist there.
Since we have this nasty history,
any sort of discrimination is avoided.
Recently, there's been an influx of Syrian immigrants.
We tried hard to accept their Islamic culture and religion.
We changed and modified a lot, to accommodate them.
But if I go there now and say that,
we're losing our culture and I'd like to preserve it,
it would be considered an act of racism.
I think it could blow up in our faces later.
This is such a difficult issue.
It's probably illegal in all of our countries.
But like all of you just said,
the real core issue...
is the discrimination that's invisible.
Black Americans are driving their cars...
and getting questioned, more and more.
But if we ask the police,
they'd never admit to having a bias against black people.
But they would behave unconsciously.
The action or reaction can be from the gut.
They can act without thinking about it.
Since you're sitting here,
I don't want to offend the both of you.
But Mark is seen as a regular white man,
while Robert is labeled as black.
But do you feel good having those titles?
You mean the words "white" and "black"?
I think the separation brought by those words...
are polarizing, especially in English.
- The idea behind the definition of those words... - The meaning changes.
brings a varying number of feelings.
You guys say,"African-American", right?
If you label me like that,
you can call me "brown".
You can see how that'd feel.
- So, you're against color-coding? - If we can change...
that a little bit, it'd be nice.
I'm actually a little...
against what Lucky said.
Having a sense of identity is still really important to us.
(Being black carries with it a sense of history.)
(Martin Luther King Jr.'s dreams still haven't become a reality.)
It's important, that we start addressing this problem as soon as possible.
We got that, thank you.
We just discussed some human rights issues.
Let's move onto woman's rights here.
Give your attention to Pakistan, please.
(The issue from Pakistan)
There's a social media celebrity, by the name of Qandeel Baloch.
She recently put up some revealing pictures on her page.
There was a lot of controversy over this, across the country.
She fell victim to her brother, who carried out a honor killing.
This only served to fuel the controversy.
I wanted to find out what you guys thought of this honor killing.
I want to raise it for discussion.
Isn't it just a killing? What's honor killing?
Why is it called that?
Unfortunately, it's a part of our culture.
This is...
a killing of a family member who tarnished the family honor.
A family member would carry out the killing.
This is the basic idea behind honor killing.
According to the U.N,
their data for 2013 showed,
that about 5,000 people die due to this honor killing tradition around the world.
Yes, 5,000 people.
Out of that, Pakistan is responsible for 869 lives.
That's only in Pakistan.
India had 1,000 lives claimed due to this.
If you do that in India,
it's 100 percent guaranteed to be a prison sentence.
Legally, it's treated as a murder.
It actually surprised me about Pakistan, this time around.
- There's no punishment for it. - There's no punishment?
- Yes. - It's not that their isn't any punishment,
but if the family forgives the killing...
and the person responsible for it,
the punishment is lightened.
Why is honor above the law?
- Right. - You say, because of honor...
someone can kill another member? I don't get that, at all.
- I agree. - Doesn't the killing...
destroy the honor?
It should be seen as worse than just a murder.
- I think it needs to be brought out to light. - Of course.
I think the honor killings are...
just a fabricated name, in my opinion.
If you look at the protestors,
they say "There's no honor in killing".
They mean exactly that. There is no honor in killing someone.
The term has absolutely no meaning.
- It's an excuse to kill. - Yes.
Pakistan doesn't have any system to protect women.
They haven't developed that system yet.
In the southern regions of Italy,
there was something identical to this.
It involved the Mafia.
Obviously, they value their family honor.
The honor killing code was accepted in the culture.
But it disappeared with gender equality taking shape.
It disappeared completely.
Then, let's ask...
if it's about women's rights.
If a sister kills a brother,
would that be considered a form of honor killing?
It can be seen as that, but there was no such thing yet.
If we look at history,
there were some involving both genders.
But it only happens to women.
Since the victims are women, we can look at it as a women's rights issue.
It's actually really similar to a witch hunt, no?
It's like the medieval times in Europe.
When they were hunting for witches,
no gender was safe from persecution.
However, the victims were focused as just women.
It's kind of like misogyny.
I have to ask.
Does the dishonor come from...
something based on religion?
For example, having a man and a woman share a room.
Or is it because they showed some skin.
Does that all stem from Islamic teachings?
That's why I'm asking.
Mark was right about that, but if you say that wrongly,
it'd quickly turn into a religious persecution.
Saying that it's only Islamic people. It's sensitive.
- It really is. - You have to be careful.
Catholics were like that, too!
Even the Italian Mafia of old...
were devout Catholics, who carried out honor killings.
- It was due to Catholicism? - Right.
They prohibit relations before marriage.
It was seen as dirtying the family name.
I see that, too. It's not just focused on religion.
It's not just the Islamic religion.
- You have to see that... - What I'm saying is...
It didn't originate from Islam, but...
they happened to overlap with the system...
that had honor killings.
When we were talking about...
terrorism before,
we concluded that ISIS cannot define Islam.
It wasn't fair.
It's just like that notion.
The religion is not commanding them to do it.
But that means, the country has to...
- put some laws into place! - That's the problem!
In reality, our citizens are protesting.
It's getting really serious.
It's all about the punishment given to the culprit.
We can't let them off easy.
This is our biggest issue.
So, recently, our Attorney-General...
instated a law regarding this.
If one was to commit an honor killing...
and was subsequently forgiven from the family,
they'd still have to spend their days behind bars.
They made the law and in early August...
after this gets through the Pakistan National Congress in August, it'll be official.
- Even if the bill passes, it's up to the public to decide to follow it. - Right.
Education is a critical factor in women's rights.
It inspires them to have a life of their own.
India has laws, unlike Pakistan.
Honor killings are rampant in India despite having laws in place.
It happened in a small town, but it was made known through social media.
Without social media, the police of that town wouldn't have stopped them...
because they probably had the same belief system.
The police would have valued honor just the same.
If the father explained it to the police,
"I had no choice but to kill my daughter,"
it would have been completely acceptable to the police.
These issues that need to be solved urgently...
cannot just be treated through long-term measures.
- That's right. - In Korea, it's fairly possible...
to reach even the remote villages through various media,
as well as through social media.
In Pakistan, it'll take well over 50 years to build up the educational system.
I believe that the biggest hope that Pakistan has...
is Malala Yousafzai. It has to be.
She is a woman and she wants to get an education as a woman,
but the Taliban would never let women learn.
She was shot by the Taliban, but she survived miraculously.
She is known to have said "They can put a bullet through me,"
"but it won't kill my dream." She even won the Nobel prize.
One child, one teacher,
one book, and one pen can change the world.
The fact that she's out to break the old paradigm is a big hope.
What are some other women rights policies in other countries?
In Swiss, they value gender equality very much.
There is a little canton called Appenzell Innerrhoden,
in that canton women didn't have the right to vote until 1991.
- Until 1991? - Yes.
It's hard to believe that...
- women couldn't vote when I was a year old. - It is hard to believe.
It was considered shameful by the Swiss, as well.
It was changed finally.
It's similar with U.S. We're traditionally very spoken about women rights.
But women could only start to vote in the 1920s.
People say that the Second-wave feminism started in 1970s.
Not only do women deserve to vote,
but they also deserve to get paid equally as men.
But like with the case of racism,
it's not about the problem of the laws any more.
It's more about the glass ceiling.
Even though men and women are doing the same amount of work,
women still get paid less than men. The gender pay gap still persists.
- In France, too. - It might not be so visible.
Let me just say one thing.
I've checked the recent data in Italy and it showed that...
women with higher education get paid more than men.
- It's strictly based on performance. - But there's the issue of coffee.
- Coffee? - Because male bosses always ask for the female employees...
to bring them coffee.
- Really? - I know it happens in Korea sometimes, too.
- It does. - That's one of the invisible inequalities, as well.
(There are many different ways to discriminate.)
In Mexico,
they've made pink taxi cabs in order to boost women rights.
Pink taxis?
- Do women like it? - It could be another discrimination.
- It's pink. - Only women are allowed to ride it.
And the drivers are all women.
In subways, the first two cars...
- are women and children only. - Like in Japan.
It was created to...
prevent sexual crimes in public transportation.
It has proven to be effective in reducing sexual crimes.
In India, women are protected by several laws.
In the time between the sunset and sunrise,
female criminals can't be arrested.
- During sunset and sunrise? - A female criminal?
You can't arrest women at night.
You can only do that during the day.
To protect women from getting assaulted in the police station at night.
Women also can seek free legal advices.
They can also be guaranteed...
to keep their privacy in case of a sexual abuse.
In Canada, gender equality is woven into the early stages of education.
The newly selected prime minister has...
successfully created a half-men half-women cabinet.
It was acknowledged by the world.
The speech footage of him explaining this went viral.
- What is it so important to you? - Because it's 2015.
(Cheering)
You could suggest that it's a reverse discrimination,
since there are more men in politics.
So the principle of keeping an equal percentage of women...
might seem to be a discrimination against men.
But Canada is not a perfect country...
and it's an important step towards achieving gender equality.
It's okay to have reverse discrimination occasionally.
- It's a process to even things out. - I agree 100 percent.
It's important to reverse discriminate until the table turns.
- You're saying we should. - He's very firm.
These policies will help balance things out for the coming 20 to 30 years.
After that, it won't be needed.
This week's "Agree or Disagree" was about human rights.
There's never enough time to discuss it fully.
It's important that the word "Human Rights" represents...
each and every group of the society.
We'll discuss "What's So Important" next week, as well.
He's from Cambodia, please welcome.
(Today's visiting intern representative is Bot Wisalbots.)
- It's been a long time. - Welcome, Wisalbots from Cambodia.
- Wisalbots. - Welcome.
Please introduce yourself.
(Hello, my name is Bot WisalBots from Cambodia.)
(I'm so happy to be here. Thank you.)
No one could understand you.
I am Bot WisalBots from Cambodia.
I majored in Cambodian Literature and Arts at the Royal University of Phnom Penh...
and now I'm getting my master's degree at Yonsei University.
My main subject is Korean Culture and Society.
Thank you and it's nice to meet you.
What are Cambodians talking about these days?
In any other country,
people are naturally interested in food and fashion.
It's the same with Cambodia.
In my parents' generation, Thai celebrities...
or trends in Thailand were very popular.
But these days, for the younger generation it's all about Seoul.
- Seoul. - The fashion and food from Seoul.
You don't have to feel pressure to compliment us.
- Is that true? - I'm serious.
- Seoul, as in Korea? - Of course.
- Everyone wants to know more about Seoul. - Not Paris?
- Paris, or New York. - Well,
Paris is in the west.
We relate better to Asian cultures.
That's racism.
Liking us is not racism.
The fashion in Toronto, Canada...
- is as good as any. - Fashion in Toronto?
- It's not bad. - Fashion of Ice.
It's a matter of preference.
- Let's have today's guest representative from Korea. - Yes.
He was known for being late and complaining all the time.
There were many legendary stories about his misdemeanors.
But now he's back and his wits are as sharp as ever.
It's Tak Jae-hoon, who's now walking on flower beds.
(The 109th representative of Korea, Tak Jae-hoon)
He has mean wits.
(Welcome)
Please take a seat.
So many foreigners are here today.
- It's been what, three years? - Yes.
- Three years. - I always ask this,
is there anyone here who doesn't know Tak Jae-hoon?
- They don't know him. - No.
- Guillaume, don't you know him? - They're unfamiliar.
I prefer them not knowing anything about me.
- That's right. - It's a chance to start fresh.
Not knowing me...
- Maybe they know about the incident. - Right, the incident.
I doubt they've watched the news.
- I know him. - Please introduce yourself.
- Hello. - Welcome.
I work in Television.
- You sound like a network employee. - I work in Television.
I used to sing,
act and hosted several shows.
It's nice to meet you.
I know him very well.
- I think of him like a big brother. - Why?
When I just came to Korea, he was all over TV.
- On TV. - I saw him singing.
He came to Korea in 1995.
Really?
When I was studying the Korean language in Mexico,
shows like "Sang Sang Plus" was of big help.
(It helped him learn.)
- There was a segment on Korean language. - Right.
Christian knows every single guest who comes on the show.
- Right. - And Zahid?
I did some research after I heard he was coming to the show.
Since he's so talented with singing, acting and hosting shows,
I just wish that incident hadn't happened.
It'd been nice to see him work during those years.
- You've discovered the truth. - Mind your own business.
- Why would you care? - He's just showing his affection.
- Where are you from? - Pakistan.
Pakistan? They have all kinds of incidents over there.
- That's right. - You should tend to those first.
In 1999,
- his album "Gimme! Gimme!" was a big hit... - Gimme! Gimme!
- That was a mega hit. - and his career...
skyrocketed, I heard.
What else do you know about me?
I was just curious so I searched for you.
You found out too much.
But thank you for being interested in me.
I hope things get better for you now.
- What? - He's wishing him...
all the best.
Let's get things started.
- He has brought his own issue. - Yes.
The issue I've brought today...
comes from my experience of...
having been on an unwanted break...
for three years.
Am I abnormal for feeling anxious...
whenever I have a long break? That's my issue today.
Were you feeling anxious?
I didn't show it,
- but I was feeling anxious inside. - Of course.
How did you spend your time?
You must have taken some rest at first.
It was mostly resting not just at the beginning.
Not just at the beginning, but the middle and end as well.
I spent the majority of my time resting.
Your item feels very sincere.
Am I abnormal for feeling anxious whenever I have a long break?
If you think he's abnormal, press the button.
In 1, 2, 3, press.
Press the button if it's abnormal to feel anxious about long breaks.
Why did you press the button, Guillaume?
I retired from the gaming scene in 2003,
and started working two years ago.
How long was your break?
It was about 11 to 12 years.
That was a long break.
I have fond memories from that time.
I was feeling fully recharged.
That's how I can put all my energy into Non Summit Meeting now.
- How did you make a living? - What about money?
I earned money from a game called "Hold'em".
- He used to be a professional gambler. - What's that?
- Are you serious? - Yes.
- Did you compete in contests? - I competed in many of them.
I was in Las Vegas yesterday.
Did you win any money?
I go to Vegas every year...
but it was my first year to win more money than I'd put in.
Don't talk about winning money in front of Tak Jae-hoon.
- I earned them. - That's better.
(Thank you.)
I've never seen anyone complaining about how long their vacation is.
If you can find time,
you can learn a new skill or a new hobby.
You're saying he should have learned a new skill.
Should I have learned a new skill?
But that doesn't count as rest.
Maybe he had no other choice but to rest, so he wasn't being proactive.
Guillaume, that's going too far.
I think that's rather harsh.
I feel practically naked.
Do the rest of you think it's normal?
I think he's normal.
I can fully understand Tak Jae-hoon.
I work in video productions...
and whenever I don't have any projects,
it affects my financial situation and I become...
very anxious.
When you have some time off,
at first you find things to do.
But after a while it gets old and you have nothing to do.
Right. I was going to call it abnormal...
but when you're a singer or an actor,
you get forgotten by the public if you don't keep up the appearances.
It'll be that much harder...
to start over later.
Everyone is different.
Like Christian, or...
Tak Jae-hoon...
- Tak Jae-hoon. - It sounds very foreign.
Your parcel is here.
But for people like Tak Jae-hoon...
who loves to make others laugh,
long vacations would feel like a prison.
Since I'm running a trade business,
if I take a long break,
I'm afraid someone else will...
- start trading sesames. - That's right.
Imagine if Jun Hyun-moo was selling sesames on TV.
- It could happen. - That's how it feels to Tak Jae-hoon.
Precisely.
Most people who are not celebrities...
are concerned about the world economy.
They fear that long-term rest can lead to...
financial instability.
When it gets even serious,
people can feel societal pressure...
to go out and make a living.
If you're, say, a chaebol,
maybe you could take a break for a long time.
When I go on a 1 to 2 weeks vacation,
towards the end of it...
- I feel the pressure to check my e-mail. - Right.
Because I'm going to have to face...
the workload that has been piling up.
It's my job, anyways.
You can forget about it for a little while,
but as time passes,
you'll become more anxious.
Very well.
It's important to check out how each country spends vacation.
Which country do you think is best at taking vacations?
What do you think, Tak Jae-hoon?
Isn't it Switzerland?
- Is it Switzerland? - You can have up to four weeks of paid leave.
- But four years ago, - Retirement must be unpopular.
they had a national poll that looked at extending it to six weeks.
- They always do that. - Many people in Switzerland...
were against it, worrying about the negative effect on the economy.
- Most were against it. - It was voted off by the people.
In U.S, unlike other developed countries,
there is no mandatory legal holiday.
Most companies have their own policies.
It's up to the company to set the holidays.
- It varies. - It's not required by law.
It's generally accepted, that a new employee should get two weeks of break...
at a medium-sized company.
As an American, which country do you think rests the best?
I would say France.
- Of course. - They seem to rest well.
I was once involved in a merger and acquisition...
with a French company, and that's a very urgent business, right?
But they took the full month off in August.
- Goodness. - When the company was...
on the verge of a merger and acquisition?
Yes, August usually is like that.
- In August. - Why is it August?
It's too hot. The sea.
- Everyone needs to go to the beach. - They should.
- That makes no sense. - They have to head to the beach.
You mean the French?
Don't they have air conditioning?
How did you know?
He's actually right.
The French metro doesn't have air-conditioning.
It's a steaming pot.
- Really? - Yes.
So is it acceptable in France...
to take a break when it's hot?
The legal holidays of France are up to five weeks per year.
- Five weeks? - Wow.
- And it's paid? - It's similar in Germany.
It's the way our society functions.
It is encouraged by the government to rest in August.
It's a shutdown.
- It's a shutdown. - They're not in business.
- What about Italy? - Pretty much the same.
As French, which country do you think rests the best?
Compared to the Spanish, we are very modest on our holidays.
- That's right. - Spain is the best.
They take naps,
eat five meals a day,
and party hard until late.
It's common in Europe to rest in August.
I used to visit Spain a lot in the summer.
One time, I went clubbing at 2am.
It was the most popular club, but no one was there.
- At 2am? - Yes.
I was wondering what was going on.
And at about 4am,
people started coming in.
Amazing.
People party from 4 to 7am...
then head to the after-club.
They go to another club?
They have after-clubs...
- and people party until 9am. - Italians party just as hard.
Why talk about Spain?
In Italy, we party until 6am but in Spain...
I was in Italy once...
on a business trip.
I took a cab with my colleague.
We were headed to our accommodation.
As the driver started the car,
he adjusted the rear-view mirror so he can better see my female colleague.
He would wink at her...
all throughout the drive.
- I was really impressed. - That's impressive.
It was a total shock.
- How did you feel about that? - It was just the two of you.
- You could have been married. - We Italians...
can tell instantly.
- Tell what? - That they're not in a relationship.
(Nonsense)
- How can you tell? - Were you in a relationship with her?
- Were you? - No, we weren't.
- See? - As soon as we got seated, he adjusted the rear-view mirror.
- Do you think he could tell? - How can that be possible?
They're the best.
How can they be so forward?
They know how to have fun at work.
- Is that having fun? - It must be fun.
So he was having fun at work.
Just him.
When I was in Spain,
it went really well once.
I went out to my hotel room's balcony...
to find the girl in the next room was standing on her balcony, too.
- She was very beautiful. - Like in a movie.
Our eyes met and we started to smile at each other.
It went really well...
What do you mean by, "It went well?"
(What do you mean?)
We connected.
- They connected. - Connection succeeded!
It was on my first day in Spain, but I left my friend to travel with her.
- Italian men. - You'd only see that in movies.
- I was young. - Aren't they amazing?
- I was only 20 years old. - Where was she from?
- She was from Israel. - Israel.
Israel is known for beautiful women.
I was developing feelings...
so I asked if...
we'd be able to see each other again.
But she told me that...
she needed to join the army.
(What just happened?)
- That's right. - It's mandatory in Israel.
(He couldn't fight it.)
It's such a sad situation.
She was about to join the army.
You should have told her you'd wait.
It's two years.
Two years.
You should have visited her.
They'd met a week before, so waiting for two years would be over the top.
He should have visited her.
It's like in the movies.
Let's change the subject and talk about...
the countries that don't rest.
I'd say it's Korea.
Koreans are known for partying, yes,
but they don't care much about resting.
That's quite true.
People get passionate about partying.
- They party like it's a competition. - It's remarkable.
People party overnight...
and go off to work in the morning.
- How do they do it? - It's impressive.
Having lived in Korea for three years,
I observed that,
it's a struggle for them to ask for vacation time.
They don't even have the courage to ask for time off.
- They lack the courage? - Yes, the courage.
- Don't the French people care? - They don't care.
- They don't? - They don't care?
To us, having vacation is an employee's right.
It's their right. It's mine, too.
We understand that, but...
But it's important to set it up.
The timing of the vacation...
should be discussed with everyone.
It has to be reached like that.
We don't have to care about what other's think.
It looks like you guys mind the atmosphere, but...
it doesn't seem like you guys really give off silent pressure.
We don't give it off.
It's better for the group.
On the other hand, when my father was young,
they sent him a letter to send him on vacation.
The company didn't want to reimburse him for the accrued days.
They silently pressured him to take it.
It was strongly suggested.
Right, we have something like that, too.
A while back, I was working at a company.
I had about nine days of leftover vacation days.
Before the February's accounting closing day,
I calculated the days a couple weeks before.
I was expecting...
around 2,000 dollars for reimbursement.
I was so ready to get that money.
But I get an e-mail,
telling me to hurry up and use the days.
- That happens. - But it was at the end of February, it was cold.
None of my friends had any vacation days left.
But I had to take a mandatory vacation.
This isn't my current company, by the way.
It's from a long time ago.
- Italy? - It was a while back.
- We got it. - Why are you panicking?
We got it!
Don't worry, we'll put it in subtitles.
It's not my company now!
- He says it's definitely not it. - Anyway,
- This nuance is like this, - What it is like is,
"If there's nothing holding you here, you should take it."
So, if I say, "No thanks, I want the money",
- then it'd get weird from there. - "Do whatever you want".
They'll start to pressure you indirectly.
It's half passive and half direct.
Regardless, it's important to take some time off, while working hard.
Are there any hot trends for relaxation?
In America, we have something called "Stay-cation".
It's staying somewhere and vacationing.
I thought it involved steaks.
I thought he was talking about steak.
He thought it was steak vacation?
That was good, right?
- It's not Steak-cation. - Stay-cation.
You know I'm from New York. There's a lot of workaholics there.
They work over 100 hours per week.
Some New Yorkers...
don't even know their own city, too well.
Some of us have no freedom to even visit the popular sites.
If they could use their vacation,
it resorts to doing what we wanted to do for a while.
Something appealing and personal for us.
Maybe look around the city a bit.
They don't travel far at all, actually. That's stay-cation.
So this replaces having to go somewhere.
It's a good idea.
In Korean, it'd be kind of like a "Bangkok vacation".
There are people,
who stay in hotels in the city.
They stay for about 2 nights and 3 days.
They eat the hotel food and use the pools, like they're traveling.
You don't have to take a plane or worry about traffic.
But only you'd know...
- that the truth would poke you from the inside. - That this is Korea?
My house is around the corner.
You just have to forget it, right?
In France, there's a special vacation plan to see,
if the free-trade agreement is being carried out well.
For example, if I buy this coffee,
I could go see how my purchases affected the farmer.
- You can go see for yourself - You follow the trail back?
This is the trend?
How about for Italy?
For us, it's special to see high-schoolers...
taking a year-break after graduation.
- They don't go to school? - What?
We call it "Anno Sabbatico".
- I know what that is. - "Anno Sabbatico"?
It's because everyone needs some time to think about what they want.
Maybe they need to decide between college and working.
My brother took a break...
after graduating high school. He went to Argentina to work.
He wanted to work there.
It helped him to reflect on his life...
and it helped him to make tough decisions upon returning.
To be able to choose an area of study or to pursue work.
These days, Pakistan has this popular trend.
When young people gather,
they don't drink or turn on music,
they just clap their hands together.
- That doesn't sound fun, at all. - They do it until their hands are red.
I actually did it all night, before.
(Pakistan's shocking relaxation)
No alcohol?
We don't drink in our culture, so...
they don't really have alcohol.
We just clap our hands like we're crazy.
Maybe because Pakistan has a lot of mosquitoes.
It's for catching mosquitoes?
Okay, let's all try this.
Treat us like your neighbors.
For example, if my friends gather,
someone has to be the singer.
If I'm the singer here,
we start off slow, like this.
(The calming song is accompanied by the smooth clapping.)
(Embarrassed)
Now, it speeds up quickly.
(Speed up)
(Dedicated)
Whenever I go on trips in Korea, I do this.
(The recording from Zahid's trip with his friends)
(Infinite clapping)
You could use a guitar, too. Why are you just clapping?
It's...
- more comfortable for us, I guess. - Nobody dances?
- Of course, we dance. - In Korea, we have soju here.
If it's just two people,
"Hey, we have to clap today, too.", "But I did it yesterday."
"Why don't you take over today?", "I did it yesterday."
"Look at my hands!"
Can you show us your hands?
It looks so red!
That's usually how it turns. More fun equals more red.
(More fun, the redder it is.)
If you look at Pakistan,
they clap along with their traditional song, Qawali.
They have a main singer and a supporting band.
There's also two people in the back who just clap.
They're like the drummers, then!
All they do is clap!
The music usually has five people involved.
We have something called "Antakshari".
It's like a game for families.
It's a singing game for us.
If I sing something,
the next person continues to sing using the last verse.
It passes around like that.
So it's like our word-connecting game in Korea.
Let's use yours.
The way you said "I love you"
I should've saved it a little more
Now, you have to sing something starting with "more".
- There's a song like that? - "A little"?
Come to me, a little closer
Stay close to me, a little more
It's ending at the same character!
More and more
So this is the strategy.
We keep ending at the same word.
So we keep picking songs like that.
That's so fun!
This is like word-connecting, but only with singing.
In Pakistan, we have a poem-connecting game.
Not singing, but making poems.
That makes my head hurt.
- No, I'm not doing that! - You learn a lot.
Just keep clapping.
(We'll save it for next time.)
Mexicans like to play with tequila.
That sounds crazy.
One of the games...
involves a shot of tequila and two shots of water.
We put that on the table and three people drink it.
They drink it at the same time. In front of them,
someone has to guess who drank the tequila.
It's not as easy as it sounds.
If they get it wrong, they...
have to take two shots of tequila.
Then, they go right back to playing.
That game sounds...
like a game that ends quickly, right?
It should last 30 minutes, at most.
We get drunk quickly.
This is something you play before going to sleep.
So, we talked about people who are drowning in work.
They experience extreme exhaustion, leading to powerlessness and self-hatred.
This is called "Burn-out syndrome".
They say, about 8 out of 10 people have experienced this, at some point.
As we're currently being over-worked, the power to relax becomes crucial.
It's almost a skill to be able to relax and release stress effectively.
What are your personal stress-relieving tactics?
Since I'm running a company, I'm always getting stressed.
I've tried so many things.
I think singing with my karaoke machine at home is the best.
It's always fun to sing like that.
He knows what he's talking about!
Since I'm a teacher,
it's easy to be swept by the students' criticisms.
If I get stressed, I relieve it through ju-jitsu.
If a 90kg guy is on you,
completely choking you out,
your mind is free of stress.
You're getting choked for relief?
Wouldn't it affect your brain cells?
I have no worries going into it.
- I just think about purely surviving. - Maybe you enjoy not breathing.
You're fainting, right?
(The teacher's fearsome stress-relief)
When I was a model,
it usually got pretty busy so I couldn't concentrate.
Sometimes we didn't have shoots.
So, the erratic schedule led to worrying about uncertainties.
I also had to keep myself in-shape.
I couldn't even eat the food that I liked.
Usually, I resorted to the once-per-week "cheating days".
But I couldn't even do that.
You know, it's a day when you can eat whatever you want.
- We'd usually drink on that day. - Food is the best stress killer.
Your stress mostly came from food, then.
As you know, it's the long-awaited vacation time for most professionals.
Many are probably dreaming of vacationing abroad.
Jae-hoon, where was your most memorable vacation spot?
The most relaxing place that you can remember.
- For resting? - That's our topic.
For a resting spot,
I always want to stay in Korea.
If I go abroad, it's usually more tiring.
I usually get very tired and you're unable to rest.
- You get stressed if they don't understand. - Going to France or the U.S.,
or even Italy, I always have to go see something.
- You always have to go somewhere, too. - That's stressful.
Also, if you go and don't get to see those things, that's stressful, too.
The regret becomes stress.
Then, back to our representatives.
Can you recommend us where to visit, for your respective countries?
Like, "if you come to my country, see this".
If you ever want to be treated like a king in India,
just listen to what I have to say.
It looks like a palace or a five-star hotel.
It's called the "Palace on Wheels" train.
It's a super-luxurious train ride.
- A "Palace on Wheels"? - Yes.
Usually it takes 15 days to see all the sights but...
the train cuts it in half. It's so gorgeous.
Do they have everything on board?
- They've got everything, a library, a bar... - A library?
Why do they have a library?
Because, if you get on the train,
You're in the car throughout the night.
The library is there for people who might get bored.
Or you could go to the bar to have a drink.
At the restaurant, you can order Chinese, Indian, or continental.
It even has a spa and Wi-Fi.
- He said "Wi-Fi"? - Wi-Fi.
- It's an important luxury in India! - Really?
- Spa and Wi-Fi. - Don't you get a signal?
If they can get Wi-Fi on the train, it means it's luxurious.
- How much is it per night? - It comes out to be about 6,000 or 7,000 dollars.
It's 6,000 or 7,000 dollars per night?
- Did you say 6,000 to 7,000 dollars a night? - Sorry, it's 600 to 700 dollars.
- I'm sorry. - Are you trying to rip us off?
- Just in case... - Is he going to hit us?
You're just trying to land some mental blows, right?
I actually want to recommend something for you, Si-kyung.
If you go to Mexico and you get on this train. It's called "Tequila Tour".
- "Tequila Tour"? - It's a real thing!
You get on a train and of course, drink some tequila.
You also get to listen to some traditional music.
The train makes stops around the historical farms and distilleries.
- You get to learn how they used to make tequila. - That's great.
Then, you arrive at "Pueblo Magico".
This is translated as "Magic Town" in English.
This is a culmination of the preserved, traditional Mexican villages.
It's really considered magical.
By the time they get there, isn't everyone this drunk?
Seems like they won't remember a thing from the museums!
The scenery is just too beautiful. It's like riding a time machine.
- You also get to experience some great cuisine. - Sounds special.
If you talk about trains, the best one is of course, in Switzerland.
I agree with that.
It's called the Jungfrau tour.
Many Koreans actually like it. You take the train...
to the highest train station in Europe.
You get to see the biggest glacier in Europe, too.
There's a restaurant, too. Since there are so many Korean tourists,
they also sell cup ramen.
It's probably the cheap kind.
For Italy, I'd like to suggest Truffle Hunting.
Most of the world's truffles come from Italy.
There are so many places where you can find them.
You can experience the nature, enjoy the view, and take nice walks.
- Of course, you have to try the wine and the food, too. - When you find it?
When you find it, you can take it home. It's money!
It's quite expensive.
Didn't you say you were an expert, too?
I'd go often with my father and hunt during our hikes.
Don't the Europeans call it "Mushroom Hunting"?
- They really say it like that, there. - It's nice.
I actually picked a lot of mushrooms when I was young, too.
- Alex, too? - Yes, I went a lot.
I also learned how to differentiate the edible ones.
There's a way to tell the difference between edible and poisonous?
My grandparents taught me a bit.
They said, the ugliest ones taste the best.
- The ugliest? - Yes.
On the other hand, the prettiest ones,
- like the Super Mario mushroom... - Super Mario. It's famous.
- Do you get all big? - You don't get big, you can die.
- So, it's good to avoid good-looking mushrooms. - Avoid pretty ones.
The ordinary, ugly looking ones are the delicious ones.
It's actually really fun to pick them.
You have to wake up at dawn.
If you go later, the ones that got there early picked the best ones.
A lot of us would be out at early morning to go picking.
At the same time, you're hiking and eating.
We made mushroom pasta, too.
- Risotto Porcini. - You know what I'm saying? It's great.
Though the Europeans describe it as a fun experience, it's dangerous in Cambodia.
There are mines everywhere! If you go out alone at dawn, you can die!
He's saying, the early bird steps on a mine.
So, most people just go later in the day.
(Laughing)
When people mention Cambodia, most say...
- Angkor Wat or Ta Prohm temple. - Right.
It's all about the culture or the arts.
But those are only just a part of the whole experience.
I'd like to take this opportunity to show off my hometown a bit.
This is an unknown island.
- It's called Koh Rong Island. - Koh Rong Island.
It boasts crystal-clear beaches and...
fresh air. It really helps you connect with nature.
How do you exactly connect with nature? You keep mentioning connections.
You learn to appreciate it.
What if you want to talk to it or start a conversation? - Then talk to it!
- Say it? - Just talk to it!
- There has to be an answer back, right? - It's how you interpret the answer.
- They're like rivals. - That was a great counter!
I think he won.
- Tak Jae-hoon, you lost. - I feel a little angry.
(Even a loss turns into laughter)
Since I'm from America's northeast,
there are some unknown island cultures up there.
There's an island called, "The Martha's Vineyard".
It's a popular playground for northeastern people.
The people love it because it's beautiful. You can enjoy sailing.
From John F. Kennedy to President Obama,
many of the big names spend their summer vacation there.
- In the summer you can rent a house. That's what Obama did. - Really?
If you talk about Mexico, many mention Cancun or Los Cabos.
Many people don't know about the area just above Los Cabos.
There's a village called Mulege.
If you take a bus, then a boat, you can do some whale watching.
- Whales? - Yes, you can see them there.
It's not just seeing them from afar, but you can actually touch them.
- You can kiss them, if you want. - Aren't they dolphins?
- Excuse me? - I'm sure it's dolphins.
No, actual whales.
They're real whales.
Whales come to you and put their heads up?
They come up to the surface and trust you.
- He said they were on a boat. - In fact,
- you can kiss them, for real. - It's like "Free Willy".
(The scenic ocean dispels the skeptics.)
(It's possible to swim with them.)
(You can touch them or even kiss them.)
- That looks beautiful. - Who's next, Guillaume?
This is the capital of polar bears.
If you look at the left, you can see that they're kayaking with a thousand belugas.
On the right, you can watch polar bears.
- Isn't that really dangerous? - No, it isn't.
There's a small prison in the village.
Since it's dangerous to be so close to humans,
they hold them there for safety.
It's not a prison, but a zoo, right?
- What's that, there? - It's the same place!
If it's the right season,
usually in the winter, you'll see this.
But if you want to see it, you have to go this year.
If you miss it this year, it's going to be another 7 or 8 years until the next.
Are you trying to coerce us into going?
No, you have to go this winter, for sure.
Or I have to wait 7, 8 years?
It's because it follows a 11-year solar cycle.
The peak of that...
makes them visible.
So can we see it, this year?
I think you can.
What's this, now?
This is Italy, it's an area called Salento.
It's at the heel of the boot.
- The boot's heel? - At the heel.
It's just so nice. The weather is perfect.
The water is identical to Maldives.
Wow, would you look at that.
There are many beautiful cities, too.
That's totally my type.
Jae-hoon, this is the first time you've approved something!
He's just been criticizing this whole time!
- Do you like that one? - That one looks good.
That place isn't popular, but it looks like that?
This is a city called Otranto.
It's actually not popular. It's small.
The Salento region's...
most famous city is called Lecce.
They call it the "Firenze of the south".
Just like Firenze, they...
have places brimming with art.
How's Croatia?
It's getting really popular for Koreans. - For me,
I went there a lot, because it was close to Venice.
I actually watched...
a lot of Korean documentaries on Croatia.
It was really funny to me.
Because Italy is a peninsula,
we think, that the south and the western seas are beautiful.
But we don't particularly regard the east,
the Adriatic Sea, as being beautiful. It's actually the worst.
However, the Korean narrators in the documentaries...
were elaborating about their time near the Croatian shores.
They showed a scene, where they were eating pizza.
But I was thinking, "Why eat pizza all the way there"?
Why not just go to southern Italy to do that?
- They could've just come a little more toward Italy! - The feeling was...
actually a little strange.
It's like, if there was a documentary about China...
and some Italians go to Qingdao,
just to eat some kimchi stew!
That'd be absurd!
If you want to have some kimchi stew next to the shore,
you have to go to Jeju Island!
It shouldn't be China!
We got your point.
I think this should be fun. Why don't we ask you...
to recommend some areas in Korea?
I think this should be fun. Why don't we ask you...
to recommend some areas in Korea? - That's interesting.
Where have you guys been?
For me, it has to be Suncheon Bay Wetland.
- Suncheon Bay Wetland? - Where's that?
This is Nick's introduction of Suncheon Bay Wetland.
One time, a friend was visiting from Germany.
We went hitchhiking around Korea.
When we got there, the atmosphere was great.
It was really relaxing and beautiful.
(In awe)
How about you, Lucky?
- I've been to a lot of places, but... - Yes, he has.
I think this place shows the real Korean beauty.
It's Mt. Sobek's Guinsa Temple.
I've never been there!
Mt. Sobek's Guinsa Temple?
Out of the countless temples, why Guinsa Temple?
Because, though there are a lot of temples here,
it was the most beautiful mountain temple...
that was hidden deep in the mountain.
Also, there was a natural cave nearby.
- Wow, a natural cave! - Yes, you can see it.
My first visit was around 17 years ago.
But I still go visit there whenever I can. It's nice there.
Don't you have some relations with a monk there?
Yes, I've known the monk there for 17 years now.
What do you talk about with her?
A religious exchange with Indian Buddhism?
When I first went there 17 years ago,
I didn't know a lot of Korean.
So, when I went there, we connected through music.
I introduced some Indian songs.
- You played instruments! - How happy would she have been?
If it's been 17 years, that's a long relationship.
There's a lot of places I like too.
- But I really like Geoje island. - That's the best.
- I've been there! - Really?
If you go visit Geojedo,
you can see Somaemuldo Island and Oedo Island too.
Also the "Wind Hill".
It is a beautiful place when the sun rises and sets.
You can see the sunrise and sunset in Geoje Island.
If you visit,
you'll see how beautiful it is.
- Have you been there? - Of course I have.
The Wind Hill?
I haven't been to that hill.
(I haven't been to that hill)
You should go there next time.
I'm familiar with the "Wuthering Heights", but not the "Wind Hill.
Have you been to the Guinsa temple in Sobek Mountain?
They all keep mentioning places I haven't been to.
How about the Suncheon Bay Wetland?
I heard it was very wet there?
- Let's continue. - Alex?
Four years ago,
I worked at the "International Exposition Yeosu Korea".
- You worked at the exposition? - Yes, in the Swiss booth.
When we would finish work early,
we'd go to the beach often.
There was a popular song back then...
called "Yeosu night sea". We'd listen to it at the beach.
(Alex's recommendation is Yeosu's night sea)
I've never been to the places mentioned today.
How about Mark?
It's not a hidden place.
But when I am under a lot of stress.
I have a couple of places I visit in Busan.
I'd go on the weekend and arrange accommodations near the Marine city.
The reason I like Marine city is because...
- you can't find buildings like that in the US. - It's so much nicer these days.
- I haven't seen anything like it in the US. - That's true.
Then, I'd have lunch at the Haeundae beach.
Afterwards, I'd go up towards Dalmaji-gil Road.
There are a couple of places that I like.
- There's a bakery. - A bakery.
It more about the ocean view there than their pastries.
It's so amazing to relax there.
It's a great way to relax there for a day and return back to Seoul.
I'd like to recommend, Gyeongju Namsan Mountain.
- Gyeongju Namsan Mountain? - Do you know the place?
- You mean Namsan? - Yes, right.
- I didn't know. - You didn't know?
I've been there twice.
I went there with two of my friends from France.
I took a bus from Namsan mountain to go to Gyeonju.
- There were a few high school students on the bus. - I see.
The students started talking to each other about us in Korean.
They were saying that my friends and I looked homeless because of our clothes.
One student was even saying that she thought we were gay.
- That you were gay? - Yes.
Because we were three guys.
- Were you shocked? - Yes.
They didn't realize that you knew Korean.
- They didn't know. - That's right.
When it was our turn to get off the bus I turned to the students and said...
"We like women."
The students all started to scream.
Their faces all turned red and they were saying "Oh no".
Do you really like women?
Yes, absolutely.
Were you suspicious?
Maybe in the next life time?
- Next life time? - What?
He is saying that maybe you could get together in the next life.
I'm sorry if I misunderstood. I like women.
Don't worry. I can wait.
(Until the next life time)
I'd like to recommend somewhere really close.
- Where is it? - It is behind Yonsei University.
Ansan Mountain.
- You mean the one right behind Yonsei University? - Yes, that one.
- But that is not such a great place. - No, it's a really great place.
- I know it's good, but... - The flowers bloom in the spring.
The leaves are beautiful there during the autumn season.
It is so beautiful.
All the troublemakers used to hang out nearby the mountains when I was young.
That has all changed now.
These days, it's a place you go to when you have a lot on your mind.
It is a place to relieve your stress.
It is very beautiful, I know.
How about you Jae-hoon, do you have a place you'd like to recommend?
For me it would have to be Jeju island.
- You've been there. - Yes, I like going there.
Which part of Jeju island?
I have a few favorite parts.
But my favorite place is around Aewol.
It's near the beach and the mountain.
- There are great places to eat. Meat, sashimi. - Meat, sashimi.
So many great things.
I don't think they've been to Jeju island much?
I'd recommend Jeju Island.
Many still think of Jeju Island as a place for seafood only.
- But these days it is more. - It is a totally different world.
- Especially when it comes to cuisine. - Exactly.
- You are right. - It is amazing.
In order for us to fully achieve our goals and dreams.
We must rest and enjoy to the fullest to become more productive.
Can you tell us what the value of "taking a break" is to you?
There are two things. The first is "to recharge".
I need to recharge in order to go to work because of stress.
But more than that, it is the time you spend with friends.
I think it is an opportunity to strengthen friendships.
If there was no time to relax,
we would just age.
When we enjoy our time, life becomes more interesting.
When there is a big storm most trees fall.
But there is a reason why the thin bamboo trees don't break easily.
It's because there are nodes in the bamboo tree.
The nodes in the bamboo tree...
are like our life when we take a break.
We will also fall if we just work without rest.
- We must rest. - Exactly.
The nodes are what strengthens us.
What does "taking a break" mean to you Jae-hoon?
- It's a very philosophical question. - Taking a break.
Relaxing means letting go of everything.
- Even while we rest, we can't stop worrying about things. - Yes.
- We worry before things even happen to us. - That's right.
- You shouldn't worry. - I see.
- Be ready but don't worry. - Yes.
Being ready for anything is very important.
It is very wise. It is wise.
But worrying is not wise.
- Do you have no worries? - I have plenty.
(An unexpected answer)
You are not planning on disappearing on us any time soon right?
Unless someone sends me an official notice asking me to leave,
I won't be disappearing.
- Not by someone else. - I will choose when I want to take a break.
- Not because of a letter sent to my address. - Of course not.
- You are being specific. - You want to make your decisions.
- So many people are happy to see you again. - Yes.
- I hope to see you more often. - I agree.
The 109th Non Summit Meeting topic brought to us by Tak Jae-hoon was...
"Am I abnormal for feeling anxious whenever I have a long break?"
The man that works like there is no tomorrow,
Hyun-moo will give you his advice.
This is how we will conclude the topic.
We discussed the issue today.
I don't think Jae-hoon needs to hear anyone's advice.
He should be the one giving people advice.
Then why don't you give us your opinions...
along with an advice for Hyun-moo.
- Give him some advice. - Okay.
Hyun-moo works very hard.
He struggled hard to be where he is today.
The problem is that if you you continue to push yourself like that.
- You might stumble and fall. - I see.
It's not a bad idea to take a break once in a while.
Why does it scare me to hear him telling me to take a break.
- In a good way. - You are correct.
- Don't be too greedy. - Okay.
- Taking a break from your radio job is not a break. - Right.
Why not just take a break from everything?
- You mean everything? - Exactly.
I'll take your advice at my own discretion.
- It was a pleasure. - Great.
I would now like to adjourn our Non Summit Meeting.
Until the day we all become normal.
(Oh are you going?, when are you going on your vacation?)
(Not impressed.)
We are adjourned.
"Agree or Disagree, What is So Important?"
I would like to discuss the issue on Swiss women enlisting in the military.
I think saying that only men should enlist in the military is sexual discrimination.
If you want to solve discrimination.
Why is military service mandatory?
I think mandatory military service should be abolished.
Every country differs in their need for soldiers.
I don't understand why Switzerland thinks they have a shortage of soldiers.
Who would go to war with Switzerland?
(Well)
It's Sandara Park.
I'm too idealistic that I lack grasp with reality.
Am I abnormal?
There are so many scenes in dramas.
What should I do? Did I do something wrong?
I want to apologize, but oh?
"You were here since before?"
(We enjoyed your acting)
When our eyes meet and you feel the melody.
Can you stay single until you die?
(Distressed)
Fantasies in dramas of each country.
If you are slapped, you move non-stop.
(Slap, slap, slap, slap)
A nun with a gun in front of a cathedral.
A well built man appears suddenly.
Sprays water on himself.
Just listening to it makes me happy.
(Fantastic Monday)
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